The Way I See It!
I am an Ultra-Conservative, Alpha-Male, True Authentic Leader, Type "C" Personality, who is very active in my community; whether it is donating time, clothes or money for Project Concern or going to Common Council meetings and voicing my opinions. As a blogger, I intend to provide a different viewpoint "The way I see it!" on various world, national and local issues with a few helpful tips & tidbits sprinkled in.
Cudahy Doesn't Need A City Administrator or City Manager!!
Let’s get some background information so we are all on the same page. We will then go over why we don’t need them and then some brutally honest questions and comments.
The concept of the council-manager form of government developed in the late 19th Century.
Sounds so good! In fact too good to be true!
Now what is the City Administrator vs. City Manager?
With a City Administrator - transfer control of the city's day-to-day operations from a full-time mayor to a professional city administrator. The Mayor’s position would become just another council seat that can break a tie.
With a City Manager - Under the manager form, the mayor and council focus on setting policy while the manager administers the city.
Sounds so good! In fact too good to be true!
Let’s look at the talking points as how they were attempted to be sold to me by a city personnel.
With either a City Administrator or City Manager we could establish qualifications for the job just like any company that hires does. Say a certain number years’ experience of being in charge of something comparable? No criminal record! A degree in something that applies to the job! Something other than besides "I want the job and can convince people to vote for me”! And Randy they wouldn’t be appointed like you falsely point out, they would be hired and fired from the Common Council! They are the true power anyways!
Okay, appointed/hired I have used the term together because there truly is little difference with the process of getting the person in.
Qualifications – Like the ones former Mayor McCue who now is a City Administrator for the City of Wautoma. So he was qualified partly because he ran a city as Mayor. Circular argument!
A degree – So would Liberal Arts count? Or would a degree in Journalism?
No criminal record – Like a felon who could not vote or someone busted like with THC (Marijuana)? No one who shows up on CCAP? What about second chances and forgiveness? Discrimination laws anyone???
Just ask the Alderman or Mayor Day and they will give you all of the Pros of switching governing styles. So where do we find the cons? There has to be some right?
Well of course there are:
City Administrator or City Manager creates a continuity that goes away when you have elected Aldermen and the Mayor every 3 years. So should we just do away with elections? Just appoint them all! Sorry…Hire them all???
A City Admin/Manager may leave a city when offered a higher salary and greater responsibility in another city. There is NO guarantee they will stick around. Many will use Cudahy as a resume booster to pad it (think of Cudahy's Director of Economic Development Lara Fritts).
Look at this - City manager turnover taking a toll in Sunnyside
When Mark Gervasi walks away from City Hall on April 6, he will leave unfinished projects, a stressed staff and another expensive search for a city manager.
While it's nothing the turnover-riddled city of Sunnyside hasn't lived through before, officials admit the latest installment of rapid comings-and-goings of senior administrators can't help but set back the city of 15,000.
"It kinds of puts the skids on it a little bit," said Mayor Mike Farmer.
Despite praise for his performance from council members, Gervasi announced his resignation last week, becoming the third manager here to last two years or fewer.
There is NO guarantee and with contract clauses we the taxpayers on the hook. The proof of a contract is always in its breach. Who made the call to pull the plug on Lara Fritts when she didn’t produce? No hook pulled there. The Council had the same power there and sat on their arses! You want to trust basically the same bunch of people to do the right thing and fire the City Admin/Manager when they couldn’t do something like it before? Please!!!!
What if they will not leave?
Look at this - Despite no-confidence vote, Rainier city manager to stay on the job
A Professional (lol) Admin/Manager chosen from outside the city may not know the community and is too far from the voters.
The process can almost be exclusively surmised as "guessing' and "trial and error”! For every Diamond we find, we find more pieces of coal!
For every Cudahy Police Chief Thomas D Poellot we find, you will get the likes of Cudahy Director of Public Works/City Engineer Mary Jo Lange or Cudahy's Director of Economic Development Lara Fritts.
The position of Mayor and Aldermen is Nonpolitical yet it is. Ideology trumps all. Given time, the City Admin/Manager would show their colors and the people couldn’t do anything about it. Political clicks form and happen!
Councils may leave too much decision making to the manager, who is not directly accountable to the public. That the person who holds the job is not elected by the people! Things will be NO longer, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people! Our, the People’s, voice is removed!
City Admin/Managers cost too much, local people could handle the job for less cost.
Paying a City Admin/Manager will cost more! Don’t just look at the base pay cost, but benefits! Health and pension! Is the Mayor going to give up his? What about the redundant positions that the City Admin/Manage would do? Will there be a chair waiting for you at your job when the music stops? Are they going to fire those people? And the cost to the taxpayers?
Without an elected chief executive, the community lacks political leadership.
Adding a City Admin/Manager simply adds bureaucracy. We need less bureaucracy and less government, not more! Then again if you are a big government career politician you are happy with this!
Bureaucracy is nonpartisan!
I cannot think of a better example than failed school district superintendents to NOT switch to a City Admin/Manager. Nothing is more inefficient than an appointed gov't bureaucrat.
The council-manager form gives too much power to one person-the city manager.
The council-manager form is too much like a business corporation which is not suitable for managing community needs.
Mayor and council members, you are in charge of all the money in the city already and we don’t need to accrue the cost to switch us to this style of Government. We have elderly citizens with limited finances. We can't afford adjustments in city taxes to take on this cost because you are lazy and don’t want to do your jobs!
Citizens may be confused about who is in charge. People may expect the mayor to respond to their problems, however, the mayor has no direct control over the delivery of services and can only change policy through the city council.
The Common Council wants it because they think they will have power over the person! What they really are saying is, Mayor Day is a flop! And so is Mayor Day in his push for it! Mayor Day is telling the people of Cudahy he cannot do the duties of the Mayor and someone else needs to come in and pinch hit!
A final look back!
There is NO guarantee with a Mayor and none with a City Admin/Manager either. Pad resume, high turnover. And much more can and will happen!
Would the Common Council have voted McCue off or fired him. Look at the fact the City already contacted McCue about the position! Speaks volumes!!!! He is the sort of Professional they are looking at. So we would end up with two do nothings people in power!!! When you double zero as we all know from MATH it is still zero!!!!
These Aldermen are trying to take the control from the hands of the Mayor and place it in their hands. Why because the Mayor’s job is a hot potato and one Mayor Day isn’t capable of doing which is why he is willing to give up certain aspects of it. Leaving him to PLAY Mayor!
Guess who would hire the City Admin/Manager? Yep you guessed it, the Alderman, Not the voters!!!!
A Mayor has to answer to the voters and a City Administrator or Manager would only answer to the aldermen. Or NOT answer to them!!!!
Stinks to high Heaven…
Given the speed being pushed for this, the time of the meetings and the refusal to allow the voters to decide via the referendum sounds like this is a back room deal. And the Taxpayer’s always get screwed in those!
And they wonder why the public have nothing but contempt for our politicians...The mind boggles!
If you want to get as many people as possible to attend a gathering….
Hold the gathering when people are most likely to attend….
The only foreseeable fly in the ointment, they say, is the voter which is why they don’t want it to go to referendum.
If hiring someone was the answer maybe we should apply it to the presidential election! Does that sound good to you? Yes let Congress hire the President and let Congress try to fire them!
What does this get us and what is this saying about Mayor Day and his job performance?
Our Aldermen don’t have the stones to stand up now, what is the likely hood they will when it matters? Remember that zero comment from above? These are the same Aldermen who are afraid to blog, comment, or email in public with their own names!
We’ve elected these people to speak for us…what a shame on us!
Look at the damage we have done and we can correct that every three years, just think of the damage they will all do and we cannot do anything!!!
Between the chances of slim and none that the voters will get things right vs. the City, I would rather take slim with the voters then none with the City!
We the voters have the power and “we” for the sake of the City will keep it! Move past this false issue to fix the City with an Admin/Manager and just start doing your jobs and the rest will fix itself!
I have said the issue with Democracy is that everyone needs to know their job and position and perform them.
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No City Administrator
Wed, 11/23/2011 - 09:14 | Dave Drewes
Whereas the city of La Crosse has now had three straight years of no tax increases under the leadership of Mayor Harter, who at the same time was dealing with a recalcitrant city council;
And whereas the local Citizens for Responsible Government (CRG) group is convinced a city administrator, at great cost to the city, could do no better;
And whereas the Common Council noted with great emphasis that they cut everywhere possible, (which would suppose that would leave absolutely no room for ANY amount of expense for consideration of a city administrator), in overriding the Mayor’s veto of the budget;
And whereas CRG believes that the city is already top heavy with supervisory personnel and burdened with the accompanying administrative costs in salary and fringe benefits;
And whereas a city administrator adds an additional layer of government that is not directly responsible to the voter further buffering his actions and those of city employees and the city council;
And whereas the city has failed to substantiate that any other system of government would run any more efficiently or openly;
We therefore oppose the proposed creation of the position of a city administrator by a unanimous vote taken on November 16, 2011 and will devote all our energy to see that this action to employ an administrator is defeated.
http://www.couleeconservatives.com/government-waste/no-city-administrator


15 COMMENTS
JTozz - Feb 22 at 7:15 AM - Report Abuse
Getting rid of the local government isnt going to happen, but I think putting the decision of replacing any government to the people, not a McD breakfast bunch.
Let the peopel of the city decide!
While they are at it, post the budgets and audited financials of the City and the School District IN FULL on the Internet (not just some summary).
City Accountant - Feb 22 at 2:09 PM - Report Abuse
Thank you
Randy Hollenbeck - Feb 22 at 6:21 PM - Report Abuse
I do know that since 2007, financially, things have been going the wrong direction. They can't continue to go into the hole, because, with their being so little to cut, it will then come down to employees, who provide services and that would not be good!
JTozz - Feb 23 at 6:26 AM - Report Abuse
City Accountant - Feb 23 at 8:20 AM - Report Abuse
Cudahy1st - Feb 23 at 10:31 AM - Report Abuse
2007 in the black
2008 in the red
2009 in the black
2010 in the black
What that after adjustments?
JTozz - Feb 23 at 3:08 PM - Report Abuse
Also thank you for giving a real account of the borrowing rate changes in 2009, at the time McCue and the Council were trying to claim it was something they did, when in fact it was a nationwide S&P change for munis. I am sure as accountants/economists we could have a long discussion over a beer on whether this was an attempt to discredit Meredith Whitney.
Real information may be hard to swallow sometimes, but its far better then rumor or hearing from another source than the governmental body that is supposed to report it. I look forward to reading the financials and budget of the City soon. Stay in Cudahy and Stay in your position.
Randy Hollenbeck - Feb 23 at 8:21 PM - Report Abuse
City Accountant - Feb 24 at 8:32 AM - Report Abuse
Thank you
Dead President - Feb 24 at 9:58 PM - Report Abuse
While you do a very good job of cherry picking reasons not to hire a city administrator lets step back and look at this rationally, a nice change for this blog.
- Every Milwaukee County community except Cudahy and the City of Milwaukee have some form of city administrator, all of those communities are falling apart from lack of democratic representation aren't they?
- By leaving the day to day operations of a $16 million per year business in the hands of elected officials you give an incredible amount of power to nameless department heads. An elected Mayor walks in with no knowledge of city finances, budgeting or accounting. A good Mayor needs 12 to 18 moths just to get up to speed, yet he is the day to day manager for the city. His lack of experience and knowledge then transfers a lot of power to department heads. You are not a fan of Mary Jo Lang? By default this Brookfield resident may be the most powerful person in the city, if not her then Mayville resident Police Chief Thomas Poellet.
- A city manager/administrator in no way impedes or cuts down the ability of a voting citizen to have a voice in Cudahy. The makeup of the council does not change, the Mayor is still the chief executive. Democracy is still rules.
- From the point of view of developers, Cudahy is a political backwater, we have a form of government that is hardly seen in any community our size and is the exception rather then the rule. Please understand that a steely eyed administrator with a pure fiscal view would have been way more supportive of your beloved WalMart then Mayor McCue.
- The largest taxing body in Cudahy is the school district. There is an elected school board who hires a professional administrator. We do not elect the day to day manager for the Cudahy Public School system. We hire the best person available with an education background and he is accountable and reports to a democratically elected body.
Randy Hollenbeck - Feb 24 at 11:29 PM - Report Abuse
While you can say all you want about my blog, you still come here and rant yourself! Blogs are for ranting and raving, debating and exchange of ideas.
I disagree that is blog isn’t about debating, my post is my opinion and comments are others and then the volley happens.
Cheery pick, no, I am giving the other side. Dude, do you not get it? I clearly state that is what is going to happen. Blogs are one sided and aren’t fair and balanced. I don’t know why people have such a hard time with that.
DP, you can have a blog they are free, but you would have to use your real name and we know how tough you are that you couldn’t do that. All of your own self talking, yet you cannot put a real name to the words. Makes them hollow my friend.
No, I have to say you are wrong that no one outside this blog knows who I am. City workers know, elected officials know, people I see at the store and restaurants know, people I see at city functions know who I am. My neighbors know who I am. Soon many more people will know who I am. Yet we don’t know who you are. Have you ever meet me?
I love it when people have the courage to put their name behind their words, something you don’t do. We have no way to disprove/prove you are/not Jason and are left to take you at your word. An anonymous word much like the word of people you say we shouldn’t believe when it doesn’t fit your way.
I was never against the public sector workers, just the collect bargaining, you do see there is a difference right?
Stay strong man and keep reading and commenting. Everyone has a voice and an opinion. Thanks for sharing!
Cudahy1st - Feb 25 at 7:16 AM - Report Abuse
JTozz - Feb 27 at 3:13 PM - Report Abuse
Answer ofcourse to these questions is NO!
Ive stated here before on this topic and others that I dont think there should be a governing body of Cudahy, its to small a community. However, it wont be dislodged. Regardless of whether you or I feel a community of this size needs a City Hall, it should be up to the voters to vote Yes or No to abolishing it. It shouldnt be left to a McD coffee group or people who attended a couple of budget meetings or someone who drinks at the bar. Every property owner in the city that pays their taxes has just as much right to be represented by a vote as you do.
You say you believe in a free exchange of ideas and dialogue, well there is no information or dialogue from City Hall or the School Board to the common people. Maybe this information is freely distributed at the local watering holes. If thats the case then take that info and post it so the other people that dont have time to go to these bars can also have that information. Take a video of the meetings you attend and supply them online for the rest of us. If you are very active in your community (I am not sure what that means), then get that information to everyone not just those whom you have contact personally with. This is 2012 you see.
Dead President - Feb 24 at 10:35 PM - Report Abuse
I am just a guy, I know some city employees, I have in the past been part of the city. I am active in the community in a real way, not by professing it on my blog, but instead by doing it. I am a customer of local business and as terrible as it may be, an occasional customer at local beverage establishments.
I believe in the free exchange of ideas and healthy debate about politics, but I also recognize that this blog is about neither, it is a forum to vent, complain and whine without ever getting off your chair and getting your hands dirty.
The most ironic thing here is that Mr. Hollenbeck, a self professed Scott Walker Republican, has turned into the biggest union mouthpiece in the area. His biggest targets are management personnel trying to implement the governors new policies and his sources , who by the way are routinely inaccurate, are disaffected union employees or timid elected officials.
I understand that in an electronic age blogs and tweets are considered important, but at the same time, if you want your opinion to be valued get up and actually be out in the community so people know who you are. Sit on a board, go to meetings, volunteer in the community. If people see you every day and know who you are they will respect your opinion, it is hard to do we all have a lot going on, but democracy requires some sacrifice, from Patrick Henry to today that stays true, if you are someone with no substance whose only voice is the internet then you have no voice. Frankly Randy no one knows who you are so outside of this blog no one cares.
Cudahy 1 - Feb 25 at 3:24 PM - Report Abuse
The school district, yes, has an elected board of 7 at large, hires the Superintendent and Business Manager, hopefully finds the best candidates, and runs policy. However, our Super is an out of town guest, as compared to the previous who held two addresses, and spent the bulk of her time in Cudahy. You are correct, they control the largest amount of the tax bill, yet, the poor clerks at city hall take the you know what when the tax bill goes up by 8%, and they have nothing to do with it.
In relation to the administrator, why is it right the Mayor day and the council to perform this in the dark. If you are truly a long time resident, I would think you would not be afraid of letting both sides state their case, then put it to the voters.
In the past, this community has been various generous when passing referendum (even during hard economic times) for the library, school improvements, etc. Why not this?
As far as our out of town guests (Department Managers), I agree that the department managers should be a part of the community, if totally possible. Exceptions could be made in rare cases, waiting for a child to finish high school, or if a spouse is required to live in a certain area because of their government job. (This has and still does happen once in a while).
I thank you for all you have done, and continue to do for this community. I agree, that if we had more people like you who would volunteer their time for something, even half the time you may be giving, the community would be a better place. Continue to support our local businesses like you do, they appreciate it!
Walmart, unfortunately, is a dead issue. McCue killed that baby off, South Milwaukee won, game over, and unfortunately we still don't see developers lining up here now, or any time soon. We need to once again become business friendly from the top down, to attact development!