NOW:53110:USA00949
http://widgets.journalinteractive.com/cache/JIResponseCacher.ashx?duration=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdata.wp.myweather.net%2FeWxII%2F%3Fdata%3D*USA00949
46°
H 46° L 37°
Cloudy | 20MPH

The Way I See It!

I am an Ultra-Conservative, Alpha-Male, True Authentic Leader, Type "C" Personality, who is very active in my community; whether it is donating time, clothes or money for Project Concern or going to Common Council meetings and voicing my opinions. As a blogger, I intend to provide a different viewpoint "The way I see it!" on various world, national and local issues with a few helpful tips & tidbits sprinkled in.

Walker Lied?

Scott Walker, Wisconsin, Public Sector Unions, PUP

Remember - This is all about the truth!

 

If you seek truth try being rational and objective!

 

The truth is naked.

 

I am still waiting for someone to prove to me Walker did lie about Collective Bargaining.

 

Arguing something that is a lie on its face doesn't help anything.

 

Yes, prove to me he lied. 

 

Not give me some theory, but proof!

 

Not some conspiracy, but proof!

 

Not some wishful thinking, but proof!

 

Not some thing you must read between the lines, but proof!

 

Not some liberal interpretation, but proof!

 

The truth is very powerful!

 

Point to me exactly where Walker said otherwise, please do all the Googling you want to find it and not some blog (your rule).

 

The premise is Walker never talked about CB (Collective Bargaining), so therefore he lied.  You did just make that up.  Good for you.  Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

 

That sort of nonsense deserves only derision.

 

One would think they would see that they are out of line for jumping from assumption to conviction while skipping over investigation.

 

BTW - Nice logic and reasoning on that conclusion.  You state this as fact.

 

Self-perception does not equal reality. 

 

If your definition and your premise are wrong, your conclusions that follow have to be.  Thus, your logic and reasoning are as well.

 

You can wait an eternity and what you wish for still wouldn't happen.  To be a "believer" of the lie you have to suspend logic and reason first.

 

This is so laughable, but so many left blogs and even one of my independent friends cannot find the truth in that Walker didn't lie about CB because they suffer from Walker Derangement Syndrome.

 

Distortion bingo with a double shot of Kool-Aid!

 

I wonder why the same argument wasn't raised when Jimmy Carter eliminated collective bargaining for federal employees in 1978.

 

Odd I cannot find anything that Carter was going to do that!  He never would have won if he had, isn’t that the premise!

 

The brain will reject patterns it sees if those patterns don't support their own ideology.

 

They suffer from Walker Derangement Syndrome!

 

**** Someone just said in their mind.  I told you to stop showing me two wrongs or just because the other side did it.  Now you return (as I said previously) to listing wrongs of the Democrats, as if that justifies Republican wrongdoing.  Ask yourself who are the ones seeing this lie:  The far left, the public sector union leaders and the workers affected by it.

 

Sorry, NO, I am starting facts, history and putting things in perspective! 

 

Facts, truth, and well, proof!  Please show us Walker lied.

 

You have proof!

 

Really? 

 

How do you know? 

 

When? 

 

Where? 

 

By whom? 

 

What proof do you have?

 

Can you perhaps provide a link or a quote?

 

As ever, none.

 

Let’s examine the logical nature of this conundrum!

 

They claim that Walker claims he did! 

Remember – CB specifically since that is what you are claiming.

 

That sounds like a lot of claiming, but where is the proof?

 

That is bending the reality curve upward past the breaking point in attempting to make a false point.

 

That is call spin, not truth.

 

This is ginned-up controversy when it's clear none exists.

 

Remember Walker Derangement Syndrome

 

I need it spelled out in A, B, C fashion.

 

I need proof!

 

Some of you tell me that it was on the news, yeah where?

 

I suspect these people are those that get their "News" from John Stewart and Colbert that are on Comedy Central.

 

I find the fundamental lack of understanding of what IS a lie!

 

Let’s take a moment and refresh what is a lie!

 

lie

noun, verb, lied, ly·ing. 

–noun

 

1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.

3. an inaccurate or false statement.

4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.

5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.

6. to express what is false; convey a false impression

7. to bring about or affect by lying (often used reflexively): to lie oneself out of a difficulty; accustomed to lying his way out of difficulties.

—Idioms

8. give the lie to,

a. to accuse of lying; contradict.

b. to prove or imply the falsity of; belie: His poor work gives the lie to his claims of experience.

9. lie in one's throat / teeth, to lie grossly or maliciously: If she told you exactly the opposite of what she told me, she must be lying in her teeth.  Also, lie through one's teeth.

 

 

The best argument you can truly and honestly make is he didn’t talk about it, but that doesn’t mean he lied.  Since he never said anything about CB you cannot even say, were his fingers crossed behind his back when he said that?

 

You cannot even use that it amounted to "a white lie" since he NEVER said it!

 

No matter how much I point that to you, some people cannot accept the reality of things and the TRUTH of the matter.  You can't crack people's heads open and dump the learning in.

 

He lied...  Yahtzee is what you keep telling me.

 

Remember Walker Derangement Syndrome

 

Just because you think, he did or wish he did doesn’t make it true.  You are perceiving instead of facing reality.  Most people don’t want to hear the truth.

 

Follow the money, find the truth!

 

Ding, ding, ding, ding.  We have a winner.

 

The line between perception and reality can get pretty blurry depending on how close you're standing.

 

People need somewhere to place their anger, hated or so they make things up, wish it was so and just cling on that they are right no matter how much you show them otherwise.

 

“Common sense is not so common.”  - Voltaire

 

I think what is needed is an injection of common sense.  Because it is clean cut, black and white no grey area.

 

Scott Walker never said, “I will not touch CB.”  That’s not opinion, it’s a FACT!

 

If you remember differently, you are incorrect unless you can give us proof.

 

You state this as fact and that isn't the truth - I am not being personal just frustrated that this seems to be such a hang up.

 

Remember Walker Derangement Syndrome

 

I know those that see what they want to see are saying in their head, “You are typing but all I'm reading is @&#^#^@*#@^#*#@^@#^&(^.”  It is a shame it's hard to explain something to people incapable of comprehending that which you are trying to explain because they want it to be how they want it to be.

 

Having a dissenting opinion isn't something to be concerned about, unless someone points out massive holes in your logic and you stick to it anyway.

 

I am not trying to win, just being truthful!

 

He didn't even mislead people.  If that were true he would to have made a comment about CB, just because he didn't say something about it doesn't mean he lied or even mislead people on it.

 

A lie is proven be comparing the statement or actions to see if the jibe up.

 

Go Fish!

 

Stop pushing the straw man on everyone and show us proof!

 

Remember Walker Derangement Syndrome

 

He didn’t talk about it and that doesn't make it a lie.  To lie you have to say something to compare the validity of it compared to the other.  Compare and contrast to see if it is truthful.

 

I go and buy a car.  I never talked about buying a car that doesn't mean I lied about it.

 

I tell people I am going to Arby's for lunch and come back with MCDs.  That still doesn't prove it was a lie, I might have changed my mind.

 

I tell you that I will not or have not had a red shirt and you come over to my house and see I do have a red shirt, that statement or action is a lie.

 

I love how when Walker went to Washington and was grilled by Congress that the claim is, “see, see he lied”, when asked about CB Walker said it wouldn’t save the taxpayers money.  There’s my proof they say!

 

Remember Walker Derangement Syndrome

 

First, that isn’t the question or the truth.  Please don’t let the facts and truth get in your way.

 

Question was about having the unions recertify yearly!

 

Twisted facts and used an erroneous quotation to try to convince us here is the proof!

 

This is a case of slant things the way you perceive them to be!

 

Now the truth!

 

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, asked Walker if certain provisions of his plan to strip collective bargaining rights save any money, a question Walker did not directly answer.

 

"Your proposal would require unions to hold annual votes to continue representing their own members," Kucinich said.  "Can you please explain to me how much money this provision saves for your state budget?"

 

"That particular part doesn't save any," Walker responded.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wisconsin-governor-scott-walker-washingon-testifies-state-debt/story?id=13369068&page=2

 

Desperate people resort to desperate measures.  It won't work.  The average citizen can see through the symbolism over substance of such attempts to win sympathy.

 

But hey, don't let the actual text stand in your way of making a political caricature.  You’re entitled to your incorrect opinion; just stop claiming your opinion is a fact and the truth because it makes you look so silly and ignorant. 

 

Remember Walker Derangement Syndrome

 

I'd concede the right to unionize and therefore the right to collectively bargain as part of the right to assemble.  But if you have the right to assemble you must also have the right to NOT assemble, therefore you should not be compelled to join a union as condition of employment.

 

Totalitarianism is forcing some one to join a union to work at a place of business.

 

If anything, Public Union collective bargaining takes away the Civil Rights of the regular everyday taxpayers!!!

 

Against whom do public sector unions organize?  It's the taxpayer, sorry to break it to you.

 

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.  A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.  From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.  - Alexander Fraser Tytler

 

One thing, how does not bending to your will make me a hypocrite?

 

Sure, I’ve been vocal, but I am true to my convictions and true to the truth!  Walker didn’t lie about CB and I don’t suffer from Walker Derangement Syndrome!

 

 

 

 

This site uses Facebook comments to make it easier for you to contribute. If you see a comment you would like to flag for spam or abuse, click the "x" in the upper right of it. By posting, you agree to our Terms of Use.

Page Tools